Thursday, June 18, 2009

Admin Essay: Every Kiss Begins With 'Kay, No More Tongue Dominance.'

Every Kiss Begins With 'Kay, No More Tongue Dominance.'

It's no big secret that FF has a shit-load of kisses. You'd be hard pressed to find a fic that completes without at least one. Being the fandom/community that we certainly are, it's not difficult to notice trends in kisses. I came upon this topic initially because I felt as if some of the trends were creating misconceptions. One of my reviewers once said something along the lines of... "They made out all night?! Don't they need to breathe?"

Sigh sigh sigh. This had festered in my brain for some time, and I'm choosing now to question people on kisses. I'm no kisspert. Sure, my fiance says I do okay, but I'm not a wordly woman or anything. He's been the only man I've kissed since I was just a wee teenager. So, I read these kisses and wonder if I'm doing it wrong, but... I've watched movies and my fair share of gay porn, and I just don't think it's me.

I mean, come on. These fics are like a sex guide for tweens everywhere. Hot damn, are they going to be disappointed...

This was my initial intention, but as time went on, I began receiving some very opinionated comments on kisses. Not all negative, mind you. A good fic kiss can brighten anyone's day. Imagine waiting x-amount of chapters and getting that alert, reading, and thinking, "Oh my fuck. It's about damned time." Naturally, I expanded this article to fic kissery with enthusiasm. I probably ended up approaching more people than ever, simply because it's such a fun topic and I have no self-control. So, let's get started...

Types of kisses

  • The Butterfly Kiss:
    These don't use lips at all. I wonder, while reading, if people aren't confusing the meaning of the "Butterfly Kiss" all together. The context seems funky to me given the definition. These kisses aren't kisses at all. This is where one person flutters their eyelashes over another's skin or eyelashes. Urban Dictionary, ehow, teenadivce, and basically anything Googled will confirm this. Feather, flutter, tickle... all appropriate descriptions of Butterfly Kisses, I think.
  • The Chaste Kiss:
    These commonly come first in fics. We all know it, have read it, have waited for the tongue to make an appearance, and have been left dissatisfied and wanting. Still, though, the chaste kiss has its place. Where else to begin the long road of romantic intimacy? These usually involve some cheek caresses, hair stroking, or for the more passionate ones, crushing of faces.
  • The Lip-lock:
    One-up on the chaste kiss. Someone takes a top lip, while the other takes the bottom and they suck. Gently, of course. These usually lead to...
  • The Tongue Introduction:
    This is where things get iffy. Begging for entrance... seems to have a lot of non-fans. Lips get traced, there's prodding and gasping and darting and sweeping and FUCK. Just open your fucking mouth, mkay? You know you want it, Edward just beat you to the punch. Christ.
  • The Tasteful French:
    Well, this is subjective, but I find that people enjoy subtle mentions of arousal and less physical description. More emotional. I really want to give examples here, but fear that it's just personal preference, and I don't play that shit. I'm a weird bitch who likes weird shit. You don't care. Comment with some tasteful kiss suggestions.
  • The Porn Kiss:
    These are criticized most, it would seem. I'm a big fan of some tongue shoving, I admit. It seems really passionate and feverish, but that's me. There's a lot of exploring, moaning, groaning, arousal, and general slobber that never really gets mentioned. It would seem as though both parties never draw back, instead deciding to just go at it. Think: Humping with a tongue...
  • The Vamp Kiss:
    Vamp/Human kisses are a curious case. This is where things get most heated amongst readers and authors alike. Everyone seems to have their own version of what is and isn't acceptable. Long live the joys of variety. We'll explore this soon...

Fun Fact: Two out of every three couples turn their heads to the right when they kiss.

Popular Annoyances

"Battling for Dominance" ????-2009. Rest in Peace...
I wanted to know what killed everyone's fic-rection most, so I asked. My kiss survey consisted of my contact list, the Twilighted forums, Twitter, and The Twilight Sisterhood. Appx. 50 people participated. This is what some had to say.

(I'm not putting names on these. This article isn't meant to be critical of kissing, but rather to explore the trends. I've been guilty of almost every one.)

  • Perfection Wrapped in Bows:
    -"That kisses just magically make everything right with the world. Rainbows and flowers just spring up out of the ground."
    -"When a character "poured all my love into that kiss." Poured. ORLY. When I'm in the midst of a really hot kiss, I'm not pouring anything. I'm kissing and attempting to keep my legs from buckling under me. It's so overused."
  • Boring Kisses:
    -"They're boring or they cut straight to sex."
    -"I'm not sure I can come up with anything really memorable. Most kisses seem boring and monotonous. You've read one, you've probably read a million."
    -"Failure to put me in the moment. Telling me they kiss instead of showing me."
  • Physical Kisses:
    -"Call me old school, I don't need every detail - leave something to the imagination, KWIM? I may be the oddball, but I don't just want the physiology, I want emotions, thoughts, reactions. It kind of ties to Hope's smut article - don't be clinical - make me feel."
    -"And maybe it's just me, but going after someone's teeth with my tongue isn't the most awesome way to kiss..."
  • Granting of Entrances:
    -"Just like what’s going to happen to the licking of the lower lip. Hot and, if I’m not mistaken, canon, but come on…"
    -"The whole 'licking of the bottom lip = open sesame' thing. I missed that in Emily Post."
    -"I agree with everyone who has said that these are overused:... licking lips for "gaining entrance".
    -"Licking the bottom lip or sucking the bottom lip between the other persons. I don't kiss like that. Maybe i'm visualizing something else than what the writer is talking about."
    -"Granting/begging for entrance with the tongue! GAH that annoys the crap out of me (no offense to anyone who's written it in their fics)"
  • Asphyxiation by Tongue:
    -"Ummm, [they have to come up for air] because they have a cold? Honestly, I can't help but wonder if some writers don't do it b/c SM did it."
    -"WE’ve all been probably guilty of this. I can understand catching your breath because it can be a bit hard breathing in someone else’s air, but has anyone heard of breathing through your nose?"
    -"I don't know if I'm just doing it weird, but there's definitely not a vacuum-like situation going on when I kiss someone. You can either breathe through your nose or even just separate for a second to breathe without breaking the kiss all together."
    -"Something that annoys me... forgetting to breathe."
    -YES. Good God, people. Bella and Edward have noses. Kissing a vampire Edward may result in dizzying breathlessness, but lets tone down the dramatics for the AHs."
    -"I agree with everyone who has said that these are overused: ... anything about forgetting to breathe or not being able to breathe (that's what noses are for, people!)"
  • Battling for Dominance:

    I don't think I got one survey back that didn't express an intense dislike for this term. I couldn't even post all the comments if I tried. It's like... the Brittany Spears of FF kissing. It was somehow popular at one point, but now, we see it and think, "Oh, fuck. Here comes the skanky, ghetto, panty-less crotch..." and close the window. We can smell the tasteless from chapters away. Who started this? And can we blame them? I implore you to google (with quotations) "tongues battle for dominance." The first entries to appear are some kind of Anime FF. But I suppose it doesn't matter where it began, so much as that it did, and caught on like a smutty wildfire. NO MORE TONGUE DOMINATING! Seriously, we can safely put any "Battling for Dominance" to rest. A moment of silence?

Fun Fact: A typical French kiss moves 29 muscles in the face.

The Venom Slobber Debate

Would Vampward tongue kiss Human Bella? Oh, holy hale. Talk about varying opinions! I find there are 4 facets of this kissing debate.

  • A Vampire Could, But Edward Wouldn't.

    Gallantcorkscrews: No way on God's fucking bluegreen earth would Edward ever fucking kiss Bella with tongue. Edward is a stick in the mud born from way-back-yonder horse-and-buggy years.

    Think about AIDS scare type hysteria- like Seoul 1988 Olympic games when Greg Louganis hit in his diving into the water and bled in this HUGE POOL. He had HIV and it caused a big scandal because despite the chlorine and the MEGA DILUTION SINCE IT WAS IN AN OLMPIC SIZED POOL people were like WHOA EVERYONE WILL DIE AHHH. This is the kind of old world attitude we are looking at when it comes to contagion and this was just twenty years ago. Edward is sooo old school (born at the tail end of the Gilded fucking AGE PEOPLE! Before penicillin was invented!) and we all know vampires's characters are, on the whole, frozen when they are bitten. Just because he's been through an evolving world doesn't mean he's evolved with it. He's clung to sooo many old fashioned attitudes, from opening doors for ladies to wearing funky pea coats. He wouldn't risk dropping a milliounce (?) of venom in Bella's mouth, who's an anxious enough little worry wort- god knows she's probably bitten her tongue or something and has a flesh wound in there.

    DefinatleyStaying: Could he do it? Yes – I believe the venom has to enter the bloodstream to actually harm her, which generally means – blood. Would he do it? No, because when it comes to Bella, Edward is afraid of his own shadow.
  • Maybe, a bit.

    americnxidiot: I think the only way that this could work is if Edward only puts his tongue in Bella's mouth, but I can't see him willing to open his mouth wide enough to slip her the tongue while also protecting her from his razor sharp teeth. So even if he could I don't think he would.
  • Definitely.

    Blondie: Assuming you're asking if it would be possible within canon for a vampire to French kiss a human, I'd have to lean toward yes. Edward specifically kissing Bella...well that's a little different, but let's look at things one step at a time.

    On a purely logistic level, the venom has to come in contact with a human's blood. Since there didn't seem to be a problem with Bella eating venom (the pizza eating scene in twilight/MS), then it's safe to assume that a human's digestive system somehow filters out the venom. So a vampire's tongue in a human's mouth shouldn't kill the human. I would assume that if the human had an open cut on his/her lips, or (ew) an open sore inside his/her mouth, well, that'd be the last human kiss they'd have.

    In the case of Edward (SM's Edward) - could he do it? I think so, if he worked up to it. He almost did it in Eclipse (he licked her lips in chapter 8, Temper).

    Would he do it? I think a more interesting question is: Did he do it? If he could make love to Bella in the book everyone hates, I think he must have. If he couldn't handle his tongue in her mouth, how could he have put anything else into her? But that leads into the whole virginity/blood/venomous spunk debate, and well, I'm not going there. In short, I think that at that point he would have done it, and probably did.

    Honster: Ok - this one has always driven me batty (pun intended). How bored would a teenager (or horny adult for that matter) get with closed mouth kissing. Yeah, I get the sharp teeth, but come on!! As for the venom - you could go semantics of open sore or cut - but somehow I don't think there would be near enough venom to penetrate. Plus you could argue the scent of blood on an open wound would be too tempting regardless of open or closed mouth. It always slayed me in the books - girlfriend went more than A YEAR without getting any tongue (or much more for that matter). No way - don't believe it.
  • Depends on the Story/Author.

    I think it just depends. I think, as FF authors, it's our responsibility to sell the readers on it. If we truly want some spit-swatting, it's achievable. We just have to set our rules and remain consistent to whatever we path we choose to follow. I don't think any side is right or wrong. I think it's simply prefereance and the ability to make it fit into the story that's being written. Plenty of AUs have french kissing with Vampward and make it work.

  • Fun Fact: A kiss can contain up to 278 of different bacteria, 95% of which are non-dangerous.

    AG Asks: What would venom taste like?

    • Orajel.
    • I think it would taste like.. alcohol. Beer maybe? (i dont like beer, btw) Idk why, it is how I imagine. I guess because they say it stuns the person.. so deadens the nerves.. like booze. *shrug* i can imagine a nasty aftertaste though...
    • It tastes or at the very least smells good in canon. And um no I don't think Bella can gulp that shit down. For vamps though, yeah, drink that shit in.
    • On the fact- Edward's mouth probably taste like snogging a slobbering King Cobra.
    • It just freaks me out to think that it would taste like anything sweet. Let’s pretend it’s just like any other saliva. Ewwww.
    • I imagine venom would taste sweet but would make your mouth feel like you've been given Novocain.
    • I have no idea, but put me down in the venom would taste sweet side. I'll leave this question to the AU experts.
    • I think it would taste sour, like a sour appley flavor.
    • I imagine either extremely sweet or like poison one of the two, but strongly flavored either way.
    • And my personal fave response, from the fabulous and ever-witty Blondie: I think it'd have to taste pretty damn yummy. It obviously smells awesome - but so does vanilla extract (have you ever tasted that stuff? ICK). But Bella's had her lips on his so many times that she has to have gotten more than a sample, whether she got any tongue action or not. Didn't she say she loved how he tasted? Since the only thing he can excrete is venom, then it's mmm, mmm, good. It must be sweet - in a pick-your-favorite-candy kind of way. I love caramel, so I'd pick that...someone else might pick cotton candy (oh, I like that too, especially the way it melts on my tongue). It's kind of like trying to describe ambrosia...what does nectar of the gods really taste like?

      Definitely not garlic, though...

    The Epic Survey: FF's Best Kisses

    Oh this was some fun shit. Amidst all of the bad cliches and verbiage, there are DEFINITELY a whole plethora of kisses out there that deserve lengthy praise. I sent a list of 13 categories to... basically, anyone I could. I received more than 50 responses, slaved over the FFn search page, begged people to explain acronyms, and tallied them up. Basically, I wanted to know what people remembered about kisses, what stood out, and some good examples to follow for various circumstances. I'm not linking the chapters of the kisses because that's fail. They all need to be read in complete context to get the full effect of their awesomeness.

    Survey Results!

    (I chose the top 3 nominated for each category, usually anywhere from 10-20 nominations.)

    Best First Kiss

    Best Vamp/Human Kiss

    Best E/B Reunion Kiss (AU)

    Best E/B Reunion Kiss (AH)

    Most Awkward Kiss

    Most Passionate Kiss

    Angriest Kiss

    (Landslide Victory with 20 Nominations.)
    The Office

    Most Deceitful Kiss

    The Teenage Angst Brigade
    Scotch Gin & the New Girl

    Best Chaste Kiss

    Best Non-Canon M/F Kiss

    The Arrangement
    The Teenage Angst Brigade

    Best Slash/FemSlash Kiss

    All I Ever Knew
    The Trip Home
    At The Deep End

    Most Original Kiss Scene

    Kiss You Waited Longest For

    Admittedly, people had some trouble remembering kisses. I had at least 10 come to me and confess that they just couldn't recall any favorite kissing scenes. This was somewhat bothersome. Kisses are supposed to be so significant to romance, and -- lets face it -- a good portion of Twi FF is surely romance. So my first conundrum was this: How to make fic kisses memorable?

    I asked three of the survey winners to expound on their knowledge of kisses.

    Jfly/Thallium81 on memorable first kisses:
    Well, that kiss was important to the story-- a first kiss should be important to the story. It was the sledgehammer that brought down the wall. There was anticipation, tension, desire, release. It was chapter 17. In my current story, I've posted 25 chapters, but the characters haven't kissed, so again, it looms- readers ask for it all the time. I remember that from FItE as well. If there is ever a kiss between B & E in Sanctuary, readers may just stop reading after that. Nothing more to want.

    Well, I think that [descriptiveness] really depends on the characters. I don't know that I would declare a set formula for it, but for me, the first kiss engages all the senses. It's the first time the lovers are THAT close, THAT intimate, so it's about smell and taste and feel and sounds. There's a lot going on in FItE- the venom was kind of intoxicating. It was sweet tasting and also anesthetic in a way, so her reaction to that was important, and Edward's reactions are equally important, even though it's not in his POV. He still has reactions through bella's experience of the moment.

    Manyafandom on slash kisses:
    We all want romance and heat and passion and love and intimacy and a connection when we read characters kissing. It's the moment we all want and wait for, the first kiss and all the kisses afterward. But with two men doing the kissing the dynamic changes. It's not chicks with dicks, these are MEN! They want to be manly, even if they are in love or lust or curious about the man they are about to lay one on. It's all about balancing the emotions and the physical while still keeping a strong male voice in the narrative. With a man on man kiss the participants might want to exert their masculinity and dominance, reassuring themselves and the other party that they are in fact men and not women.

    SorceressCirce on chaste kisses:
    A lot of times, chaste kisses - and touches - are completely forgotten in the race to get to the more graphic sort of material. It happens in both real life and fanfiction. Once you've reached a certain level of physical intimacy once, it's easy to bypass that the next time. I think it's a shame though - a good chaste kiss can really build all sorts of intimacy and excitement. It's the same idea as making out without it going anywhere - it gives you a chance to focus on that specific act, seeing how soft his lips are, how her breath feels against your skin, and just finding that connection without getting lost in the sort or randy excitement later on.

    Fun Fact: Men who kiss their wives every morning before going to work live 5 years longer than men who don't.


    1. I'm STILL laughing that lil' ol' RG was under Most Awkward Kiss.

      Aww, guys! Thank you.

    2. okay...first off...Sam I love you...but WTF is that first picture in popular annoy??? Damn, is it me or does that just look....


      Anyway...I loved this line:

      and FUCK. Just open your fucking mouth, mkay?

      I'd have to agree with just about every damn thing said here...

      who traces someone's lips with their tongue? And how licks people teeth when they kiss (seems to be a new thing in the fandom) can I just say

      YUCK! I don't wanna be licking off your plaque!!
      I shiver just thinking of it!

      Kisses should be realistic or at least kind of? Right?

      And I'm with you Sam, either I'm doing this AALLLLL wrong or I'm a genius since I can kiss and breathe and can kind of anticipate when my husband is going to try and stick his tongue in my tracing or battling needed...

    3. I have to say, what you said at the end about people having trouble coming up with kisses...that was me.

      But maybe I just don't remember anything about the fucked-up haze of the past year...

      Was gonna respond minus the kisses, but then just plain forgot...

      Turned out to be a great article anyway!


    4. Hahahahaha! I loved this Sam! So fun to participate....Except for the part where I could only vote for 5 stories! You gave me anxiety. lol

      Tammy you are cracking me up. You don't trace your hubbys lips with your tongue or have a nice tongue bartle? Hmmm...must be just me then. lol It's a couple of the MANY things I've learned to do by reading twific. ;)


    5. "It's a couple of the MANY things I've learned to do by reading twific."

      See? This is what I'm saying. FF is the inevitable, untimely demise of sex lives as we know it. The second I run my tongue over my fiance's teeth, I got some splaining to do. I can only imagine the look he'd give me.


      But, he's all moustache=y. No licking that. Gross.

      "Except for the part where I could only vote for 5 stories!"

      Oh I know. At least it was more than one, eh?

      "But maybe I just don't remember anything about the fucked-up haze of the past year..."

      Maybe. I think we all just read a LOT of stories. The most recent kisses probably only stand out because we've only just read them. This is why FItE was so intriguing. It's a completed story, and relatively older, yet still stood apart in people's minds. WTG Jfly!

      Thankies for the comments and voting!

      "YUCK! I don't wanna be licking off your plaque!!"

      Yeah. That DEFINITELY kills my fic-rection good and proper.

    6. "okay...first off...Sam I love you...but WTF is that first picture in popular annoy??? Damn, is it me or does that just look...."

      Oh, yes. Tis supposed to look obscene without being obscene. Like any good porn kiss should.


    7. Yeah Annie, I think Mark would stop and give me that Sam look...


      if I "licked his teeth"...

      he'd be like...who the fuck are you and where is my wife??

      And that just kinda...grosses me out...le yick!

      I'ma try licking his lip and see what he does...just for kicks and giggles!

      I tell Ally all the fic lies...your first kiss won't be all magically and romantic, you'll knock noses and maybe hit teeth, fan fic the ultimate escape from reality

      and sex education 101 for us old bitches who OBVIOUSLY don't know what the hell the new gen is doing!

      teeth licking....

    8. I'm thinking if Edward just took a nice, deep breath he would know if she had cuts in her mouth. I mean when she came back from La Push he was like dayam you got cut up.

      I don't think it is necessarily a safety issue in twilight, so much as "I don't want to tempt myself with your body.." (eyeroll).

      Anyhoo, thought I'd weigh in. I think they can totally swap spit safely, given what SM has told us.

      This was such a cute article. Granted, I've never read half of these fics, but I liked reading about what different people like. Sigh.

    9. I loved the article but missed a opinion that vampire simply cannot french kiss. A) S. Meyer claimed herself it is impossible and B) I personally believe it has nothing to do with the venom (they could have sex - no matter how unlogical it might be)but the real danger are the teeth. And it sounds logical. Kissing Bella with tongue sounds like suicidal because Bella would end up cutting herself (they eat with their teeth! They can kills animals/human beings and it feels like bitting in butter. I don't even want to imagine what could happen to Bella's tongue if she only would slightly touch Edward's) and therefore the transformation would start. No matter how small the wound would be (not my words - S. Meyer again ;) ).

      It doesn't mean it was really interessting to read the other opinions. It defintely was and I accpet their decision. Their are stories that simply pull it off. I just would have liked it if all opinions would have been mentioned.

      Regardless, amazing topic and I never realized how hard it would be to pick a favorite kiss. I was absoultely dumbfounded just thinking about it ;),

    10. "I just would have liked it if all opinions would have been mentioned."

      I received no comments that said it was physically IMPOSSIBLE for a vampire to kiss a human. This was why it wasn't shown.

      It's a very split debate. I'm on no particular side. I just think it depends on the story, personally.

    11. Sam -- fic-rection!! I'm DYING from that term.

      And yea, I'm totally joking. I don't really trace my hubs lips with my tongue. Or lick his teeth. yuck lol

      Fic can definitely skew your expectations, especially if you are younger. It even affected me at first and I've been married for 9 years (to my high school sweetheart). We've had a lot of firsts together. The only expertise I have in kissing is kissing him. I've barely kissed anyone else. I wouldn't have it any other way. :)


    12. Um... why wasn't Wide Awake on the poll choices? Self promotion, hello?

      Licking teeth is kind of gross, especially if the other person just ate. Imagine finding out he has something stuck in his teeth. Ew. No.

    13. Who remember Passionfish? THAT was a memoreable kiss!

      This article was hilarious btw. I always wondered about the lip tracing thing... who came up with that?!

    14. okay so last night, I was in bed and said, "Kay honey, I wanna try something..." Mr. Nuccio looked at me all excited...

      So...I leaned over and kissed him...and licked his lip.

      He pulled away and said, "what is this an A1 sauce commercial?"

      So yeah, after fits of giggles, that one didn't go over so well.

      Then I said, okay, we're gonna kiss and I want you to try and suck my we laughed through it we've decided it's not possible to kiss AND suck someones must do one or the other, can't do both!

      And guess what? We were able to kiss AND breathe...fucking amazing!

      It was fun, but I drew the line at licking his teeth...couldn't go there...

      And we decided, the best way to let someone know you wanted a little tongue action, was to slightly open your everytime and no one ends up feeling like a steak!

      Thanks for the laughs Sam! It was quite interesting!

    15. I was just thinking back to the kisses I got last night. As I was reading this, I kept giggling thinking how absolutely insane this whole thing is! A great kiss knocks our socks off and a bad kiss will kill a relationship faster than anything!

      Thanks for this! I'm going to have to seriously think about this some more. It makes for great discussion!

    16. Oh my gosh, you used one of my quotes. I was the one who said "sweet or like poison." lol.

      I personally don't care what it tastes like it would just be freaking awesome to try it at all lol.

    17. I've been out of town for a couple weeks so I just saw this article, and I love it! I hate how a lot of fic-kisses are so strange and 99% of them are very much unrealistic, especially for human first kisses... I appreciate that someone is trying to set the record straight, lol

    18. Okay, I'm gonna go ahead and admit that, at first, these types of articles...uh.... kind of annoyed me? Not really annoyed, but just, I didn't see the point in exacerbating what we DON'T like in people's stories. K, now don't hate. That was just my INITIAL reaction.

      So, the more I read here, I thought, "Damn, this is perfect! There are MOST CERTAINLY trends in the fandom, and most of those, DO get played out like a great song. Sure, they're awesome at first encounter (most), but after the 857893278965th time you've read it, you just.... grrr, just have 'em KISS already! And make it like RL for fuck's sake. Stop dancing around the mouth and MAKE IT HAPPEN (or not). So whaddya know? I've got an opinion myself. Shocker.

      No, really, it's a shocker. I'm a total sideliner.

      What's more, of all the awesome comments, ideas, opinions & preferences I've read here, I feel, as a fellow author, that I can MOST DEFINITELY derive some fantastic inspiration for kiss writing from this article alone. It totally helps to put us all in perspective and keep our trendy asses in check.

      AWESOME JOB SAM! Thanks for the post!


      PS: I voted too! Another shocker.

    19. Oh! And I HAVE to agree with Steph! Passionfish is by far, one of the MOST MEMORABLE kisses for me.... ever. In ANY fic, book, etc.

    20. What venom tastes like:
      Sometimes my mom's home-canned peaches would ferment. They still tasted great. They were sweet and peachy and buzzed your tongue. (And you could get a little buzzed!) That's how I imagine venom tasting/feeling.

    21. ahhh... should have kept the list up even after voting closed. It was a great list.

    22. This blog (page) is so fucking awesome. I spent ages reading it & just cracking up laughing. I'd never really thought about any of it before, but it's really interesting. Great read


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