tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2291157166360423354.post5210251583313177057..comments2023-06-25T11:02:00.806-05:00Comments on The Lazy, Yet Discerning Ficster: Admin Essay: Edward Never Came Back, but the "New Moon" AU Fic Is Here To StayUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2291157166360423354.post-9030131333522543572009-05-20T10:06:19.431-05:002009-05-20T10:06:19.431-05:00Twilight is a strange book for a number of reasons...Twilight is a strange book for a number of reasons. It is undoubtedly not the best piece of literature ever written, or even the best example of popular fiction. Yet, it is immensely popular and crosses age barrierslike few others. We have people ranging from ten, to God knows hold old reading it, loving it, and in turn writing about it. Which begets the question of why? Many of us probably feel too old to be sharing literature with ten year olds, but we've embraced it so thoroughly, that websites such as this exist. <br /><br />I think, for the vast majority, that link *is* the love story. Otherwise, most of the characters are two dimensional and the plots are arbitrary third act attempts that have little appeal. While Meyers may not have proven to us why Edward and Bella, Alice and Jasper, Carlisle and Esme, or Emmett and Rose love each other so very much, we've nonetheless come to accept that. The fun in fanfiction can be expounding upon those relationships and plots. This saga has such holes and potential in its characters that it's left readers with a large sand box to build whatever their hearts content. We can take risks and switch up canon pairs, but I think those stories don't always have the largest readerships because we are so drawn to the original set-up. <br />For those who aren't, I have to wonder, why do you read or write Twilight fanfiction? The whole premise is a love story about two people fated to be together. It doesn't matter if that is not your personal belief, but it is the overriding theme of the story.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2291157166360423354.post-12974821719031852202009-05-19T00:54:00.000-05:002009-05-19T00:54:00.000-05:00OTP = One True Pairing
In fandom, it's generally ...OTP = One True Pairing<br /><br />In fandom, it's generally used to mean the ONE pairing that a fan (often a lot of fans) can't see violated, one which is "meant to be" -- and is accepted without qualification because it doesn't NEED to be justified. It just IS.<br /><br />See, I get frustrated with this on all sorts of levels, both as somebody who's looking at 45 and is an iconoclast, as well as being an author. I think it's part of an author's job to explain WHY any given pairing works beyond "because it's meant to be." I don't buy "it's meant to be." NOTHING is meant to be. SHOW me, don't tell. First rule of writing. :-)<br /><br />As for attacking the original ... this is part of why I have only 4 Twilight stories. On a lot of levels, I don't *like* the original and think Meyer is a weak author. I realize that will probably make me unpopular with Twilight fans, but all I can do is put up my own work. I never critique an author for something I don't do, or try to do, myself. (Whether I succeed is in the eye of the reader.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2291157166360423354.post-32616845607138115602009-05-18T22:57:52.698-05:002009-05-18T22:57:52.698-05:00Oh, well, I should have noted that that is simply ...Oh, well, I should have noted that that is simply *my* opinion of it. I find it really difficult to enjoy stories where authors attack their original connection. It just makes me feel down. <br /><br />BUT... that's me. Again, obviously I can't possibly speak for every reader out there. To each their own!<br /><br /><3AngstGoddess003https://www.blogger.com/profile/03078749136364365622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2291157166360423354.post-21452637578516089172009-05-18T22:38:00.000-05:002009-05-18T22:38:00.000-05:00mini or anyone what does OTP mean?
It's funny bec...mini or anyone what does OTP mean?<br /><br />It's funny because i kinda do believe in love at first sight and i did like the magical romance thing from twilight BUT, yeah, i gotta have some plot one way or the other...angelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11007118172898489347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2291157166360423354.post-10494333634179888072009-05-18T22:23:00.000-05:002009-05-18T22:23:00.000-05:00If I can comment ...? I don't think everybody IS ...If I can comment ...? I don't think everybody IS drawn to Twilight because of the weird or mystical aspect of Edward and Bella's love. There are other things I found interesting. In fact, the mystical/magical aspect is one of the things I *didn't* like about the original series, and I'd say that's true for most of the people on my Friend's list who've also read it, at least going by conversations in comments. Of course, my friends-list is self-selecting to people who like and read my own stories, so it's probably no surprise if we have similar views. :-D<br /><br />Keep in mind, I don't believe in "OTP"s of ANY kind, in ANY fandom, and never have. Nor have I ever made a secret of that. When I write stories that feature love stories -- including that of established couples like Scott and Jean from X-Men (one of Marvel's "golden couples") -- it's my responsibility as a writer to make it clear WHY this particular relationship works. Love succeeds -- or fails -- for specific reasons.<br /><br />So I don't think it's fair to say that all fans (or writers) of Twilight fiction are there for the magic love. We're not. Some of us don't LIKE that, in fact, and want a more realistic relationship. I do understand if people don't like my stories because they don't feature love at first sight. Everybody has likes and dislikes and I'm NOT arguing readers *should* like this or that type of story, by any means. But I did want to drop in to say that there are Twilight fans who aren't in it for the mystical aspect of Edward and Bella, and I don't think that's necessarily somehow a betrayal of the fandom. *grin*<br /><br />(I should also note that my stuff doesn't usually feature Edward and Bella except in the background anyway, but a short piece like "Amputated at the Neck" lays out pretty clearly the issues I have with their relationship.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2291157166360423354.post-64040303945235449892009-05-18T20:45:00.000-05:002009-05-18T20:45:00.000-05:00lovely article, angel. wonderful topic.lovely article, angel. wonderful topic.Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05817123102290150457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2291157166360423354.post-47645980697790555232009-05-18T00:49:00.000-05:002009-05-18T00:49:00.000-05:00I'm always entertained by the E/B community's resp...I'm always entertained by the E/B community's response to New Moon Au because where I come from, it's the MAJORITY of what we write.<br /><br />Yes, I'm one of those "team Jacob" people, and for us the what-ifs of New Moon present a wonderful platform for creation, exploration, and deviation from the typical Twilight plot.<br /><br />So when I read that most New Moon AU's weren't well received by the fandom, or went unfinished I stopped short because those figures change drastically when you look at places like Sort of Beautiful, or JakeandBells.com.<br /><br />I just think it's funny...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2291157166360423354.post-86573348804693798732009-05-17T17:17:00.000-05:002009-05-17T17:17:00.000-05:00This was a great article, angel.
I really have to...This was a great article, angel.<br /><br />I really have to agree with what AG said about certain NM AUs downplaying E/B's initial relationship. That frustrates me. I think it's a cop out to say Edward and Bella were immature and didn't really love each other blah blah.<br /><br />Another great NM AU oneshot is gallantcorkscrews' Wayfaring.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2291157166360423354.post-69374814929447438182009-05-17T00:00:00.000-05:002009-05-17T00:00:00.000-05:00You know when I first started reading Twi-fic, I w...You know when I first started reading Twi-fic, I went looking for New Moon AU's...but ones in which he came back of his own volition. I was able to find a fair few, but they would either be carbon copies of one another, have her making out with Jake when he returned, or fizzle out entirely when he arrived. <br /><br />As for the never came back plot line, as a whole, I'm with Bella in her New Moon dream. Big fat physical age differences weird me out. When folks can start accusing her of pedophilia, it's time to call that relationship a dud. Just saying...For that reason they're hard for me to swallow, and the bigger the age difference the less likely I am to be able to keep reading. The mental pictures kill me. <br /><br />It is, by and large though, an interesting topic, because it is the most prevalent AU starting point in canon. They have fairly set patterns and aside from a few notable mentions, rarely stray from them. And my Lord have those few been over done.<br /><br />So that said, when is the next article on Eclipse AU coming out, eh? eh? ;)<br /><br />Thanks for the Atlas shout out :)<br /> <br />- JeesieChreesieAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2291157166360423354.post-67509177200912179362009-05-16T21:49:00.000-05:002009-05-16T21:49:00.000-05:00OMG! BUT TOUCHSTONE DIDN'T REMIND ME! Gah. Chillax...OMG! BUT TOUCHSTONE DIDN'T REMIND ME! Gah. Chillax, bb. Breathe. It is awesome. This is what comments are for. <br /><br />Edward is your beh beh, he is mine as well. I don't like seeing him get shafted either. It's all good.<br /><br />To each their own.AngstGoddess003https://www.blogger.com/profile/03078749136364365622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2291157166360423354.post-1725117399882800072009-05-16T21:19:00.000-05:002009-05-16T21:19:00.000-05:00AG....first of all, i've read most of When Darknes...AG....first of all, i've read most of When Darkness Turns to Light...and some of the others.<br /><br />and yes, Edward is my behbeh..leave me alone.<br /><br />Here is my issue with B/j fics. Not only do you have to convince me Bella doesnt love Edward anymore, you have to totally remove him BUT you also have to convince me that Jasper and ALice do not love each other anymore. AND AND, then you have to convince me that Bella isn't just replacing Jasper for Edward in the first place and she (to quote Spike on BVS) doesn't just "need a little monster in her man". <br /><br />all of this is hard for me to swallow. I'm sure some people do it well but I PERSONALLY haven't really gotten into any.<br /><br />and really,bb, i love how you come on here and comment and it's longer than my whole article AND you try to turn this into a non-canon pairing subject WHEN AT ANY TIME YOU COULD HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE I POSTED.<br /><br />damn it. too much tequila.angelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11007118172898489347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2291157166360423354.post-76295821476557236932009-05-16T20:16:00.000-05:002009-05-16T20:16:00.000-05:00Oh, and 'The Truth about Juliet', it's a one shot,...Oh, and 'The Truth about Juliet', it's a one shot, so diverges from the original point made which os how often NM/AU's fizzle out because of the limited ways the story can go, but I loved it. It was heart wrenching...hmm this one and 'Peonies' and of course I'm a huge WA fan, guess I must be drawn to the angst and heartfail....<br />AG, you're welcome, glad I accidentally helped<br /><br />ChrisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2291157166360423354.post-29239170866826083312009-05-16T19:30:00.000-05:002009-05-16T19:30:00.000-05:00It's called Forever and doesn't go by any of the i...It's called Forever and doesn't go by any of the ideas you listed. Hence why it's a one-shot<br /><br />http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4340109/1/ForeverJuliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04412556686650895956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2291157166360423354.post-28287683852975432762009-05-16T19:02:00.000-05:002009-05-16T19:02:00.000-05:00Sillybella's 'Peonies' was a NM/AU I r...Sillybella's 'Peonies' was a NM/AU I really enjoyed.<br /><br />OMG thank you so much wonkeygirl! I was searching for this fic and kept getting the spelling wrong, and couldn't find it! I was hoping someone would comment with it!<br /><br />"There is a rapidly growing wealth of fics that follow the, come on, say it with me AG, ....Jasper and Bella."<br /><br />Oh, Val. I can always count on you to keep us J/B diverse!<br /><br />"When Darkness Turns to Light"-Janna Banana<br /><br />VERY important mention of a great NM AU. Even for the canon E/B fanatics. How can you not love? Angel needs to step outside of her E/B confines, dude. Seriously. She is frightened. E is her behbeh.<br /><br />Gravity, definitely an awesome NM AU.<br /><br />You know, I have a smidgen of an issue with some of the better NM AUs. I won't name names or anything, but I really despise when E/B's original relationship is denigrated by the characters.<br /><br />Like when E/B, in the future, meet back up and downplay what they had as immature and stupid, while trying to rebuild it in a more "adult" manner, which usually just ends up being E still not agreeing to change her, and B being kind of an emotional retard. I think sometimes the authors try to convey that Bella and Edward have grown, but by doing so, they attack the original connection they'd had, and portray it is stupid. <br /><br />This upsets me.<br /><br />That's what we all loved about E/B in the first place, was their mystical, weird kind of magnetic connection. To not only move them past that, but to actually regard it as the "wrong way," just doesn't sit well in my mind, and kind of depresses me.<br /><br />I also hate when Edward is still COMPLETELY unrelenting in his decision to change Bella. This is not only unrealistic (because, come on, you know what happened the last time you did this), but also really annoying. <br /><br />Even worse, is when they are BOTH against her changing. This alludes to them not being together. That's a downer. Don't wanna read it. NM AU is downer enough without any light at the end of the tunnel. <br /><br />I like to see Bella abandoning the notion of changing, but Edward accepting of it. <br /><br />OK. I'm done ranting now.<br /><br />" In the first, Bella and Edward go round and round with one misunderstanding after the other to the point it gets silly -- or they both look really stupid. UST (unresolved sexual tension) is good, but there are only so many "misunderstandings" I can take. (This is a trend in more than just NM AUs. There's this one AH AU that I really like ... except for the constant 's/he put her/his foot in it again' trope.)"<br /><br />IKR?!?!?! I can not STAND this plot. It just keeps going. Edward has an expression on their first meeting that she misinterprets as disgust, or Bella touches someone in a way that Edward misinterprets as intimate. It's just so... UGH. Enough. I like openness. This plot device is overused to an annoying degree.<br /><br />"Because I can’t write smut so I write canon! Just kidding (not really)."<br /><br />Umm... The Fallout is having smut. End of story, bb.<br /><br />"Bella is gone… so if she makes an appearance in my fic, I only hope that I can keep it interesting."<br /><br />If? IF? Not if. When. Seriously. Stop freaking me the hale out. WHEN. WHEN. WHEN.<br /><br /><3AngstGoddess003https://www.blogger.com/profile/03078749136364365622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2291157166360423354.post-33543747568594390842009-05-16T18:50:00.000-05:002009-05-16T18:50:00.000-05:00New Moon AU's are my absolute FAV because after r...New Moon AU's are my absolute FAV because after reading the ending of New Moon I was VERY frustrated with Bella's unrealistic ability to forgive Edward so easily and just be like "whatever" to everyone and everything that happened to her the months he was away.<br /><br />I'm currently working on an New Moon AU "stereotypical(though I beg to differ) what if" fan fic (33 chapters in..and it will be finished in the near future). I guess I may be a little bias (because its the story I wanted to tell), but I think its relatively enjoyable. I get some backlash from it because it is primarily a Bella/Jacob fic and I realize that there are some SERIOUS Jacob haters out there, but he holds a special place in my heart and I just try to portray him in a way that makes him hard not to like (even if its just a little). <br /><br />I know the whole "love triangle" is so outplayed, but I am a sucker for it and the drama it ensues--it makes for some good reading.<br /><br />Anyway, wow this got a lot longer than I expected, because I can go on a New Moon rant for days, but overall I enjoyed the article and I hope it makes people more open to these types of stories. I plan on checking out some of the stories mentioned above ASAP. Thanks for all the recs.Live720https://www.blogger.com/profile/16822115741761164430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2291157166360423354.post-65788422804381127742009-05-16T17:43:00.000-05:002009-05-16T17:43:00.000-05:00I had to laugh when I read this article. The timin...I had to laugh when I read this article. The timing is impeccable (for me at least). I just posted the first chapter of my first fic - which is, of course, a NM AU. The comment about writing this type of fic to "fix" something is spot on. In my case I thought the "love triangle" in Eclipse was a bit pathetic - Jacob never really had a chance. So I decided to write a story to explore the choice Bella might have had to make if the playing field was a bit more level. Now, I ship Edward/Bella, but I have to admit I feel Jacob is a bit hard done by in the fandom, and I refuse to make him into either a "sorry sap" or a "complete dick". Hopefully I won't have to kill him off either (I've got an ending planned, and it's not that!). <br /><br />As for why I picked the NM AU genre - in some ways I think it's an easy introduction to fanfic. It's close enough to canon to provide structure and strong characterisations, but allows sufficient freedom to explore themes that were ignored or insufficiently developed in the books. <br /><br />Anyway, thanks for another great article. It was a great read, and has made me even more determined to make sure I complete my story!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2291157166360423354.post-87883313841096321612009-05-16T17:22:00.000-05:002009-05-16T17:22:00.000-05:00Gravity by Nightshade...she just updated this week...Gravity by Nightshade...she just updated this week and will definitely finish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2291157166360423354.post-73496944133696526462009-05-16T16:57:00.000-05:002009-05-16T16:57:00.000-05:00Thanks Touchstone. =)
I've missed writing A Need...Thanks Touchstone. =)<br /><br />I've missed writing A Need for Redemption, I'm really glad people stuck with it.<br /><br />And I agree with you 100% about When Darkness Turns to Light. I'll add the others to my "To-Read" list.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2291157166360423354.post-49985677673408569062009-05-16T16:54:00.000-05:002009-05-16T16:54:00.000-05:00julie....a link please?
as for touchstone's comme...julie....a link please?<br /><br />as for touchstone's comment.<br /><br />i totally admit it i don't really read bella/jasper AUs. for a variety of reasons that are personal choice.<br /><br />i think (and this is incorrect on my part) that i consider them more AU than NM/AU.<br /><br />And i really wanted to focus on the traditional NM/AU WITH bella and edward and how they are managing it. because these are the ones that struggle the most. It sounds like people do not have as much of a problem completing and plotting J/B fics....<br /><br />but thanks for the awesome recs and input.angelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11007118172898489347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2291157166360423354.post-10294273885431253412009-05-16T16:19:00.000-05:002009-05-16T16:19:00.000-05:00Hmm..Ok. I get what you're saying but I think you ...Hmm..Ok. I get what you're saying but I think you are missing some seriously <br />good fics out there by sticking to the above scenerios. Not all AU/NM fics <br />are Jake/Bella or Edward/Bella when Edward returns. There is a rapidly <br />growing wealth of fics that follow the, come on, say it with me <br />AG,....Jasper and Bella.<br /><br />I have not read any AU/NM fics that have NOT been Jasper/Bella in some way. <br />Whether they all end up together at the end remains to be seen in a few. <br />However, I highly, highly recommend a few to those looking for increadible <br />AU/NM reads without Jake as a main love interest. He might be included in a <br />few, but as a peripherial character at most.<br /><br />Jasper has so much to offer the saga that was left untapped by SM. Not only <br />does he have the most interesting background, sans Carlise perhaps, but he <br />has the empathic abilities allowing him to read the emotions, but not the <br />reason behind him, thus leading to some interesting situations. Plus, you <br />can't tell me it is not hot to have sex with someone that can make you <br />orgasim without even touching you!<br /><br />I could send you a list of at least a dozen good, decent, if not wonderful <br />fics that are AU/NM. But, I will not torture you with them all.<br /><br />However, I MUST recommend a few, I need to validate my comments above by <br />providing proof, right?<br /><br />These are my favorite AU/NM fics and yes, they are all Jasper/Bella.<br /><br />I don't know if I can do links, so I will give name/author-they are all <br />posted in FF.net<br /><br />"A Need for Redemption"-DefinatelyStaying (Jasper decides to stay and watch <br />over Bella after Edward leaves her in the woods. He sees it as his only shot <br />at redemption for his actions - but what if she saves him as completely as <br />he saves her? (JPOV) AU/OOC - BxJ)WIP but updating often<br /><br />"Golden Moon"-NusiainForks (Edward leaves Bella, but she does not fall <br />apart, especially when she finds out that Jasper stayed behind. Their <br />growing friendship helps Bella re-build her self-esteem. But with Alice <br />waiting for Jasper's return, will Bella find a new love, or will she be <br />abandoned again?)WIP but updating often and one of the slowest, but sweetest <br />builds ever.<br /><br />"Colliding Meteors"-Idreamofeddy Easily one of the best and most popular <br />AU/NM fics-complete. Awaiting sequel. Darksper rules in this story, he is <br />the cowboy we can imagine him being.<br /><br />"Learning to Live Again"-OperaGurl04 WIP but updating often. Sweet story.<br /><br />"When Darkness Turns to Light"-Janna Banana<br />Will have you in tears at the end. Complete and I believe a sequel in the <br />works. Easily one of the best Jasper/Bella stories, hands down.<br /><br />"The Air I Breathe"-Journey2005-WIP but updating often. An EXCELLENT take on <br />what Jasper might have done after attacking Bella. One of the strongest <br />written Bellas ever.<br /><br />And that is only a handful of the ones I have bookmarked. If you want more, <br />you know where to find me!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2291157166360423354.post-5339104218449893742009-05-16T15:18:00.000-05:002009-05-16T15:18:00.000-05:00I HAVE A FINISHED ONE! I HAVE A FINISHED ONE! I HA...I HAVE A FINISHED ONE! I HAVE A FINISHED ONE! I HAVE A FINISHED ONE! Seriously, I do! Can I link it? I'm gonna anyways, because you said I can.<br /><br />It's http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4647216/1/Its_been_98_YearsCíarahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10447571429856005412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2291157166360423354.post-16448541144845574282009-05-16T13:12:00.000-05:002009-05-16T13:12:00.000-05:00This was a really good article. And quite true. Ev...This was a really good article. And quite true. Even in my most obsessive days, I stayed away from NM variety fanfics. Until I wrote my own little one-shot anyway.Juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04412556686650895956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2291157166360423354.post-39747171102623078062009-05-16T12:32:00.000-05:002009-05-16T12:32:00.000-05:00well, you are right. bella needs time to move on o...well, you are right. bella needs time to move on or whatever...you can't just make her stop loving Edward.<br /><br />but, take the risk. others have and it has turned out well. OCD and i talk all the time about how the risk is what makes the story better! and remember you always need to write for yourself first.<br /><br />can't wait to see what you've done.angelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11007118172898489347noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2291157166360423354.post-60442632135441597502009-05-16T11:59:00.000-05:002009-05-16T11:59:00.000-05:00I have a NM/AU fic idea. It's outlined and sev...I have a NM/AU fic idea. It's outlined and several chapters are out on googledocs, beta'd and waiting for me to pull the trigger on publishing them. I haven't for several reasons. It's very different and I'm really scared of the reception. I love the story idea and both of my betas do as well. I've told the premise to several fic authors (Melissa228 and profmom) and they both like it, but warned me about possible backlash. It's this backlash that has me hesitant, because, you can't stray *too* from canon in AU and have the possiblility of E&B NOT getting their HEA before people riot. It would have been my first multi-chapter fic in the fandom and yeah, I didn't want to get run out on a rail before I got a readership established. Let's be honest. If it's an NM/AU story with Bella as the central character you can't have her just up and stop loving Edward. She's not ready to do that, so yeah, there are some limitations. <br />I love AU stories and all the ones mentioned are so good. I keep hoping Sacrifices will get finished and my current AU obsession is Vampire in the Basement my michellephants, with Bloodlines by ooohlalaaa a very close 2nd. I hope the genre continues to grow as while I love the AH fics, I'm missing the vamps.Leiahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13573305656212848458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2291157166360423354.post-81398823947032987392009-05-16T11:51:00.000-05:002009-05-16T11:51:00.000-05:00Sillybella's 'Peonies' was a NM/AU I really enjoye...Sillybella's 'Peonies' was a NM/AU I really enjoyed.<br /><br />I'd never given this subject much thought before. Now I will be more discerning in my NM/AU choices.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com